An
interview with Karen Glueck &
Father
André
channeled by Karen Glueck
Interview
by Dan Shaw
reprinted
from Life Times, Issue #4, 1986
"I
spent the first half of my life trying to be normal," says Karen
Glueck. "I was born in Florida in 1951, grew up on M&M’s
peanuts, graduated from college, studied classical ballet, married
and divorced a wealthy Louisianan."
"I
tried to ignore the visitations I had as a child from Ascended
Masters, the American Indian who showed up one day and declared that
he would be my teacher for two years, my curing myself of cancer at
the age of 29, the fact that ever since I can remember I could see
and hear things my family and friends couldn’t."
It
wasn’t until 1979 that Karen Glueck finally let go of being normal.
While on a meditation course she opened up as a channel, a person
through whom beings from other dimensions speak. She moved to Texas,
married another channel, dropped out of graduate school, studied
rebirthing (breath work) and gave past life readings.
In
1981, she began channeling Father André, a wise and witty Ascended
Master who lived 300 years in his last lifetime, changing personas,
and ending up as a Carmelite abbot in France in the late 17th
century. At that time he did not die; following the example of his
teacher, Jesus, he expanded out into the universe and ascended.
Father
André, as channeled by Karen Glueck, has become known throughout the
country for his crystal clarity and ability to lead people, through
love and forgiveness, to greater fulfillment and consciousness in
their lives. He has founded One World Life Services (OWLS) based in
Austin, Texas with the purpose of ascending the planet.
Karen,
her husband, Charles Glueck, and sons Seraphim and David live in the
hill country otuside of Austin, and travel throughout the United
States giving seminars and consultations guided by Father André.
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DS:
What is channeling?
KG:
There are many kinds of channeling. You can channel your higher self
and you can channel another being. There is the classic trance medium
like Edgar Cayce, who is probably the most famous channel in American
history. He is called the “sleeping prophet”. He would go into a
trance and a voice speaking through him would diagnose medical
illnesses for people. Yet he would have no memory of it. Then there
are channels like myself who have chosen to be conscious channels, to
work with various Ascended Masters. When I channel, I am in a
meditative state while also being aware of my body. I expand out and
witness Father André talking.
DS:
We will discuss Ascended Masters in a minute. Can these beings you
channel be people who have died?
KG:
You can channel just about anybody you want to channel. Everybody
channels every day. You channel yourself. Your own higher self comes
through your physical body, so everybody is channeling. Channeling an
Ascended Master is such an incredible experience that unless there
were a necessity, I cannot imagine wanting to channel someone who is
just temporarily out of body and not fully enlightened.
DS:
How do you attune yourself to these Ascended Masters you channel?
KG:
It is always an agreement on both sides, and Father André supports
me in my process of surrender. Through meditation I gain the ability
to transcend, to move into a state of bliss and peace with the
universe and with God. In that state I am able to surrender to the
vibratory rate of Father André and allow it to merge with my
physical body.
DS:
How did you begin to channel?
KG:
There are several answers to that, and they are all the same answer.
The first is that this is my purpose and I agreed to do this before I
came into this physical incarnation, into this physical body. I
literally programmed within my genetic structure certain events to
happen, triggering events, where something will trigger the release
of an ability or some awareness that has been dormant in myself.
Then
there are those who supported me to open up and how that support
happened. In 1975 I was taught to meditate and have been doing so
twice a day since then. It has had a profound impact not only on my
consciousness but also on my physiology. Later, when I was 28, I
walked into a health food store, and there was an American Indian
there who told me who I was, where I came from, and that he would be
teaching me for two years. He thought I was a dumb white woman, but
he had been assigned to me by someone who apparently saw some value
in me anyway.
I
was with him one day toward the end of the two years when he took me
to the house of a Rosicrucian woman who was near death. He said that
she had a gift for me and would I take it? I had no idea what that
meant. I wanted to know what it was, so I badgered him, but he would
not tell me. Finally he said I would have to intuit. So I said yes.
Nothing happened on the spot so I decided that was another one of his
crazy games.
However,
six months after l accepted this gift, I was in meditation with a
group of people and spontaneously opened up as a channel. The room
was filled with a deep golden light, I felt this immense wisdom of
the ages rush through me; it was an exquisite feeling. I channeled
this ancient woman who I call Ma. It was a merging process. I felt
deep power, deep kindness, deep compassion. I channeled a message to
one of my friends. It was a very beautiful experience. That was in
1979.
DS:
How do your other psychic abilities enhance your channeling?
KG:
Every area that is open to me, clairvoyance, partial telepathy,
projecting and working with energy, and reading the Akashic records,
Father André has access to also. When he comes through me, he
accepts the limitations that I believe I have; he does not force an
area of my brain to open up that I am not yet willing to use. The
more that is open in me, the more readily available my system is to
channel whatever he wants to say. For example, I have had a
resistance to prophesy. He sneaks it in now and again, but he has to
really work to move through my barriers on prophecy because I am just
beginning to surrender to my abilities as a prophet.
DS:
Do you use a crystal to aid you in channeling?
KG:
No. I was told by a very excellent healer who does cranial adjustment
that I have all 24 basic channels open in my head, all primary and
secondary ones. In order to be a better channel, he suggested that I
did not need to open up more to the universe, but instead I needed to
connect more with my physical body and the physical world. So when I
do a lot of channeling, I put a piece of pyrite rock under my chair
because it helps me to ground.
DS:
What negative aspects are there to channeling?
KG:
It is an “iffy” profession on this planet. In a lot of lifetimes
I created being killed for being an oracle. It is my intention not to
die this time. I went through three years of great difficulty
wondering, “Is this a gift or is there something wrong with me?”
Even though it felt wonderful and everyone gained value from my work,
I did not have the support of a societal framework to give it
normalcy. The religion I was raised in did not prepare me for this.
So it was very powerful for me to read the book Exiles from the
Snow and to discover that the Tibetan culture honors and supports
its channels.
DS:
So please tell us, who is Father André?
KG:
Father André lived for three hundred years in his last lifetime,
until the late 1600’s. During that time he changed personas
regularly because when you do not die people become suspicious. He
had several very famous personas, but as far as channeling goes, he
prefers the anonymity of “Father André” because it does not get
in the way of his message. He took this name when he retreated into a
Carmelite monastery in Northern France, which was dedicated to the
Virgin Mary. There he became a Rosicrucian abbot and ascended.
DS:
What is the meaning of ascension?
KG:
Ascension means that you give up the belief that you have to stop
being here to be someplace else, or that you have to die to be
someplace else. Father André gave up the idea of death and he
mastered the physical plane by surrendering to it totally. He
experienced that the physical is limitless and that God is
everywhere, in all things, and he merged with that. He emphasizes the
fact that he has a physical body, and that it is without limitation.
In the Christian tradition it is called glorified flesh, glorified
body. Jesus ascended, and that ability is open for all of us. Father
André is our potential. He is here to guide us to our ascension, to
go beyond death, to move into unity consciousness. His purpose is to
end death and establish unity consciousness on this planet by the
year 2000.
DS:
Are there any other points you would like to bring up before we talk
to Father André?
KG:
Yes. It is very important for people who channel consciously to
continue their spiritual growth. If I were picking a channel, I would
ask him or her what they are doing for their own growth, and if they
are surrendering to the support of others. My biggest issue with
channeling is getting stuck in the role of teacher, I keep looking to
see if I am maintaining my ability to surrender. Yogananda’s
teacher told him, “If I ever lose my way, put my head in your lap
and remind me.” I’ve met some good channels and yet there is
often a rigidity there because they have not continued their
evolution. Let’s talk to Father André now.
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FA:
What do you want to talk about? How I opened up as a channeler, yes?
DS:
Does ascension mean speeding up your vibrations to light speed?
FA:
That is sort of preferring one vibratory rate over another, yes? I
won’t do that. I say that I have no limitations and I enjoy being
everywhere. I take on a vibratory rate that you have and often times
intermingle with the crowds, working in that way. I work through my
channels, I work with people on the astral level. I’m a busy being,
yes?
DS:
What qualities do you look for in your channels?
FA:
There has to be a certain level of purity in the body. You want to
have as little distortion as possible. Then, of course, you have to
have the willingness of the person. They have to overcome a great
deal of fear and programming to open up, yes? One time I was talking
to Karen about possession. She had someone come to her who was very
afraid of being possessed. All people are possessed as long as they
have judgments, fears, angers and hurts; that is what possesses them.
It takes a certain amount of courage and trust in God to let someone
share your being. You’re terrified to leave your house open, much
less your body, so it takes a lot of trust. So I look for high levels
of trust in God.
Then,
of course, the person has to want to serve the planet, because to be
one of my channels is a pretty all-consuming job; it requires immense
dedication. The person also has to be willing to be continually
confronted with their own healing, because when you channel truth, it
will continually push up everything that is untrue about you. To have
a vibratory rate of absolute truth come through you means that any
untruth is going to start healing out, which means that you will be
in a constant state of healing until you are done, yes?
DS:
Until you have ascended.
FA:
Yes, and the physiology is extremely important. A person has to have
a very receptive, sensitive physiology, and enormous resilience
because the body has to carry immense amounts of energy through it.
People have to be fairly close to ascension themselves to be a very
good channel. Otherwise, they are going to be busy healing themselves
and they’ll only channel once every two or three years. For someone
to channel on a daily basis they have to be almost done or they’ll
lose it, they’ll fall apart on you, yes? People who will have some
truth come through them and suddenly they’re on the streets with a
placard saying the world will end or something, they go over the deep
end, yes? So you have to have someone who has a tremendous amount of
centeredness, flexibility and resilience. Why, are you looking for a
job?
DS:
I’m sure it would be very rewarding.
FA:
I always warn my channels, there will be times when they will wish
that they had never started channeling, but that passes. And the
rewards are great, they are given an opportunity to make an
incredible difference on the planet and to experience other people
healing, people opening up to being God. The greatest gift is that it
intensifies their own healing process.
DS:
Would you tell us your path to ascension?
FA:
Sex.
DS:
Tantric yoga?
FA:
Sex. You see, there is a male and a female aspect to God. For many
lifetimes I spent a great deal of time following the masculine path,
being a monastic being, merging with the unmanifest God, varying
religions, and I just couldn’t quite complete. I joined the
Carmelite order finally, and I began to worship Divine Mother in the
form of the Virgin Mary. That’s pretty safe you know, she’s not
coming around, yes?
DS:
(laughing) Yes.
FA:
So I began to worship the female aspect of God from a distance. And
then even though I was an abbot in a monastery, it occurred to me
that if truly the feminine principle were God also, that surrendering
to a woman might have extreme value, yes? And in my final surrender
to woman, I gave up the idea that woman was evil, that woman caused
the Fall, that woman was an illusion. I gave up all that and bowed to
the feet of the feminine aspect of God: Creation. For I had already
bowed to the feet of the male aspect of God many times. There was a
merging that took place within me that I am manifest and unmanifest,
I am non-creation and creation; I am all of this and everything I
experience is God. And so at that moment all limitation fell off, and
I ascended.
People
often ask me what my greatest overcoming was, and it was my knees. I
hadn’t bowed to creation yet and kneeling on those cold monastic
floors was just murder. It took me a long time to get through that.
For everybody it is different things. It wasn’t heavy theologic
problems, just surrender, yes?
DS:
Why do you come through a channel when you can materialize a body?
FA:
I do both. I talked to you once when I met you in California, but you
didn’t notice. I come through somebody else’s body and for some
reason people sit up and take notice. I like disguises. I like to
come as bums and women with curlers in their hair, and to come to
people who aren’t expecting it. You’re not doing this interview
by chance!
DS:
I think not.
FA:
Sometimes I wear a business suit. And often times I will speak
through people who allow me but don’t know it consciously, even
your parents maybe, hah! And I appear to Karen very often as a bird,
a cardinal. I always wanted to be a cardinal, never got past being an
abbot, you know!
DS:
Because past lives are an important part of our healing work, I'd
like to discuss a past life that you refer to as the Council
lifetime. As I understand it, the Council lifetime is the time when
souls first incarnated on the physical plane.
FA:
It’s rather difficult to explain about past lives, because you see,
it is an illusion that you have ever been born or died. People say,
“How did we fall from grace?” Ultimately you never have, it is
just an illusion. And if we are going to move out of the illusion, we
use the illusion to awaken us, yes?
In
many theologies there is the story about the good and bad angels.
What I call them is the Council. There was a Council of beings, and
they basically lived pretty well together, and then there came this
great debate about whether God was manifest or unmanifest. Over the
issue the Council split. We call the council that believed in the
unmanifest God the Original Council and the council the believed in
the manifest God we call the Rebel Council.
You
can see this distinction in different religions. You have shamanistic
religions which are basically, “God is physical.” God is the
entity in this tree, or God is in the clouds, or God is in the rain,
or the ocean. And then you have the “God is unmanifest” religions
like Buddhism, where there is this desire to merge into the
unmanifest, to give up all this physical stuff, yes?
The
truth is both are valid. For God is manifest and unmanifest. And the
trick here in this lifetime is to support people to merge these two
back together. To give up their loyalty to the Original Council or
the Rebel Council and to join the Ascended Council where there is no
conflict between the physical and the non-physical.
Death
and dying occur through denial of either aspect of God. For where
there is denial there is separation. Where there is denial there is
not God. For God is the ultimate truth and the ultimate unity.
Therefore, that which we call denial and separation must be an
illusion, for God is an unlimited being.
DS:
So people have never lost the ability to ascend?
FA:
Yes. I would take it a step further. People only believe that they
have not ascended. Because everything is ascended, everything is God
already. That is why evolution is very important but ultimately
unnecessary. You have never been separated from God.
A
lot of people mistake the illusion for creation. Creation does exist
but it does not exist the way you see it. And creation is as eternal
as the unmanifest is eternal. It’s just the illusion that is not
eternal.
DS:
Did Paradise or the Garden of Eden really exist?
FA:
When people first began to have the experience of incarnating, it
was called Paradise. There was no death. The separation had not yet
occurred. This vibratory frequency was not disturbed. But because of
denial, death began to appear and limitation began to appear.
Ultimately there is this blame: the Original Council thought, “I
had to incarnate because of the Rebels," and the Rebels said, “I
have to die because of you.” This vibratory rate you call the
physical dimension has always been your vibratory rate. You simply
haven’t been aware of it. It’s like saying all I need is my head.
DS:
What was your role in the Council lifetime?
FA:
There is another aspect, people who withdrew, who said, “I will not
partake in this.” I had a tendency toward withdrawal. That is why I
am meddlesome now. I choose to be responsible for the unification of
the Council. I did lean more toward Original Council. I had to
integrate that Divine Mother is truly God.
DS:
I understand that in the Council lifetime Karen prophesied that the
Council would split.
FA:
And that it would reunite. She wasn’t willing to give the second
half of the prophesy, so now she has to finish it. That is one of
her purposes in channeling for me now. You must never make the model
given to you a relic. Not even the work I give you. Please do not do
that. I work through my channels, and my channels are always opening
up to higher levels. Don’t be attached to what was said two years
ago or two months ago. As the vibratory rate of this planet opens up,
we will be able to give clearer knowledge.
DS:
So the Council lifetime was before separation, before denial...
FA:
It’s difficult to talk about before separation or denial because in
God there can be no separation or denial. So we are talking about
something that never happened, but it seems very real to you, and
there was a time when it was real to me, and that is where compassion
enters the picture, to have compassion for the misperception.
Compassion comes from knowing the truth and in opening to it.
Sympathy comes from believing in the illusion.
DS:
Physical immortality isn’t the ultimate?
FA:
It is to remain physical and non-physical.
DS:
And is that ascension?
FA:
Ascension is remaining physical and non-physical forever.
DS:
Yes, I’ll have to keep that in mind as I read the immortalist
literature.
FA:
Yes, well it is written mostly by Rebels who don't value the
non-physical so much.
DS:
So it is an illusion that we have lost our God powers.
FA:
lt’s a pretty good one, isn‘t it? You believe it.
DS:
I am wondering how to present this to the readers of this interview.
FA:
That you are someone who wants to claim back your God powers and you
haven't quite done it yet. At least you‘re up to the possibility of
it.
DS:
We all have the possibility to regain our God powers...
FA:
That we have never lost. Yes. You see it is an interesting thing to
talk about. For example, many people in the sixties, seventies and
eighties have used hallucinogens, which I do not recommend, by the
way. You have at least seen TV shows where someone is on drugs and
they are surrounded by people who are not, yes? This person on drugs
has the definite reality that something major is happening and
everybody else is looking around saying, “I don’t see anything."
But the person using the drug or hallucinogen is definitely
witnessing some event, yes?
DS:
Yes.
FA:
That is how we, the Ascended Masters, view you. You are very much
like hallucinating people. You think you are seeing something real.
And it is very real for the person who is hallucinating. But for us,
we are very clear that you are just hallucinating. So in modern
jargon of your society we would say that we are helping you come down
from a bad trip. Drugs are not appropriate because we want you to
open up, not go into more illusion. I recommend meditation. It takes
a little longer, but it is more permanent, hah!
DS:
What other methods of healing, like meditation and affirmations, are
particularly valuable?
FA:
Rebirthing, primaling, body therapies such as shiatsu, Rolfing,
Trager release work, InterphasEl body work and nutrition. l support
people to choose simple, beautiful lifestyles, order and harmony,
environment enhancers such as rose water, incense, candles, good
literature, music that opens you up or creates harmony for you. Many
people think that heavy rock sounds are bad for you. Those are
usually Original Council people. I'm not into heavy rock sounds, but
certain vibratory rates are good for opening up the lower chakras.
DS:
You also have people in your group use Psycho-Kinesiology.
FA:
It is excellent, using the body to test for answers. You have to be
very good at it in order to get the truth, but it’s valid. lt’s
still in its infancy, but it is being perfected. We are working on
things like gentle birth, gentle death, non-technology birth,
non-technology death. Not that technology is wrong. I do not come
from a space that thinks that. l am simply pointing out the most
expanded and evolutionary path.
DS:
So one way we can support these beings coming into the world now is
through gentle birth.
FA:
Yes, and also by being willing to know why they are coming in. To use
astrology, palmistry, clairvoyance, if you have it, and telepathy.
There should be a telepath at every birth so that the child never has
a sense of losing connection and can always communicate what is going
on with him. Preferably the parents, but if the parents aren't opened
up, then a good telepath.
DS:
Would you speak in general about the souls that are now incarnating?
FA:
It varies from year to year because astrologically there are
different vibratory rates that support different frequencies. So a
few years ago we had a number of Lemurians incarnate, now we are back
to a high level of Atlantean persons incarnating. A lot of empaths
came a few years ago, and now we have a lot of telepaths and
clairvoyants. A lot of communicators are coming in, and some people
with a very high level of technology came in last year. It is
certainly a lot cleaner to use one small crystal to power New York
City than all those other things you use.
DS:
You are working with the group One World Life Services (OWLS) and
with individuals. Are there also other groups?
FA:
Fifteen others. None with the potential at this point of OWLS. This
will be my major group. That doesn’t mean the other groups are not
important, it is just that this is the vehicle I'm using to reach out
in a large way. I'm easy, l‘ll work with anybody who wants to work
with me.
DS:
What other ways are being used to reunite the Council?
FA:
Many ways. There are people working in physiology, great
nutritionists, psychic surgeons, meditative masters transferring
Shaktipat to open people up on the physical dimension, great writers
channeling inspired work, great technologies being brought forth at
this time for a cleaner environment, and guides that support
politicians for a more politically sound environment. We have space
travel opening up, and many psychotherapists now opening as channels.
DS:
You have commented that within 15 years there will be a definite
shift into Paradise.
FA:
That is my intention. I don’t order you around. That’s a very
important point. I am a guide. I guide you to your power. I am not
interested in running your lives. I am interested in you being God.
DS:
Will Paradise be heralded by a type of planetary clockwork, planetary
alignment, great Earth changes like pole shifts?
FA:
There is divine free will and divine plan. They merge perfectly. We
are working towards gentle birth in the human body, pain is not
necessary, contractions are not necessary. That is true in the
birthing of your consciousness and it is true in the birthing of your
planet.
I
am here to advocate gentle birth for your planet. I don’t think it
needs to thrash around from one tilt to the other, yes? It will do
what it does. We are here as midwives to birth it as beautifully and
as gently as possible, given the karma and the decisions that the
planetary consciousness is making. As we move through the karma,
transcend it. I am not interested in acting it out; transcend it
through forgiveness and surrender. Then you have more gentle birth.
DS:
What types of changes are we seeing now?
FA:
The types of changes I like talking about are things like your
movies. Look at the quality of your movies coming out, for example
E.T. and Space Camp. They certainly expand you out beyond the
gravitational pull. I would like people to give up gravity and move
into levity. Other movies are coming out about uniting. Out of
Africa is about dharmic partners who can never acknowledge they’re
dharmic partners. And that causes people to cry and release about how
much they have denied their partners. This release, this healing,
allows them to move into more unity in their relationships. You have
a Star Trek movie about Genesis, about a planet being transformed in
the twinkling of an eye. This opens up the possibility of a
miraculous transformation for your planet. So there are a lot of
excellent movies being channeled right now. Politics, another area to
be transformed, yes? There is not much difference between theater and
politics, now is there? Children as well as adults are supporting
changes. You have children going back and forth between Russia and
America moving the populace to “Please do not fight.” Children
are your best diplomats, they are honest and they see things simply.
You have some very good things moving against some very deep rooted
ideas about the need for protection, the need for armaments.
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has people meditating for world peace. If you
have a certain number of people meditating, a country cannot be
invaded and will not invade others. It seems as if we need a few more
meditators, yes? You have people becoming conscious and aware on many
levels and now starting to consider that diet has something to do
with disease and divine health. You have great vast natural food
stores opening up. You have your hamburger joints now offering whole
wheat buns. I would greatly appreciate it if your country would quit
poisoning the food they feed people. You really can’t eat poison
until you’ve fully integrated that everything is God, yes?
Psychotherapy is becoming commonly used. You have child abuse centers
now, it is no longer socially acceptable to abuse children. So really
good things are happening on this planet that are signs of evolution.
And
things have not happened that have been predicted. The work being
done on this planet is remarkable. For instance, the last two years,
according to Nostradamus, were supposed to be years of great drought.
And there has been drought, as in Africa, but the drought has not
been worldwide. There are areas producing food that can give to areas
that are not. So that drought has occurred but it is not at the level
that it would have been. And I hope to be able to say the same thing
about nuclear war, and disease; disease is the most pressing problem.
DS:
On New Year’s Day you predicted that there would be two major new
diseases.
FA:
You have one out now called Day Care Disease. It is a mutating
disease that affects the unborn children of pregnant mothers, which
children bring home from day care centers. And the diseases are
mutating which means that you are going to have to give up fighting
the disease and heal the cause of it; you have to heal the desire to
die.
DS:
I think you have answered all the questions I have prepared.
FA:
There’s one thing you haven’t asked me — “How do I open up to
my guides?” For I wish all people to know that they have the
capacities to open up to their guides. Simply by declaring the
intention to. That’s the way to start. The second thing you can do
is to diet. I don’t mean fanatically, like just grapes or
something. Just eliminate the meat, alcohol, chemicals and sugar. Eat
wholesome simple food. Keep lightening your diet in a balanced way.
Spend more time in meditation and less time with TV and such. It will
do you no good to open up to your guides if you are not willing to
use the guidance. So you have to look to see if you really want to
open up. It is not necessarily an easy path, however it is
fulfilling. People come to me and say they want to open up as a
channel or a psychic or a teacher, and I generally make them think it
over for thirty days. They have no idea the purification necessary.
DS:
Is there anything further you would like to present to the readers of
this interview?
FA:
The questions you have asked were channeled. The only thing I would
add is to celebrate. Celebrate this process, don’t be afraid of it.
In birth if you are afraid, it makes the birth very hard. So if you
are afraid of Earth changes or of what is happening, heal the fear.
Don’t suppress it, heal it. And then celebrate. In celebration
birth goes very easily. God bless you.
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